By the Crin

What is a Crin ? Anybody know ?

There was a post about this in 2010 called "A Little Help With Wigan Dialect, please" by somebody called Hoipolloi, but nobody could give an actual explanation of the word - only possibilities. I looked up "by the crin" and it was there.

I'm guessing it was a ' dressed down' exclamation of " by the Christ" used by a person wishing , not to Blaspheme , Bit like the word , Ruddy Hell instead of Bloody hell,
just a guess

I could never understand why hell would be bloody.

If you believe the orthodox stories, then surely any souls finding themselves arrived in hell, will have left all the blood they have formerly possessed with their mortal remains.

Elsewhere I was reading how Lamberhead Green (top of Pemberton) was known as Lomra Green, but Lamberhead and Lomra don't even sound the same, so how did the word Lomra come about ?

If it was a matter of dialect, in the 1960s and 70s when older people would have been born in the 1800s, the Pemberton accent older people used was the same as young people used in the 1960s and 70s, and young people today from Pemberton sound pretty much the same as they did 50yrs ago.

Our mum was a Pembertonian from birth and she always said Lommera Green. She also said "get up to Lommera Poss" meaning get to bed.

She had a very strong Pemberton dialect, and was nothing like how the young people speak today.
Sadly, accents and dialects are slowly disappearing, which is a shame. I no longer have a Wigan accent, but know how to use it from time to time. Dialects vary from Pemberton to Ashton, from Aspull to Standish etc. Little variations on the same words.

In fact, I've written a lot of comical stories about an old man, and all his spoken word is in Wigan dialect as they wouldn't sound as comical in correct grammar.

Tts owd pem speak was nowt like 1970s. You'd a job to understand an owd lommerer bloke?

Th'owd girl used to say by the crinny eck when she was surprised by something.

A think evryones geddin me wrung

I am talking about "talking" to older people from Pemberton in 1971, these folk would have been in their 60s, 70s, 80s etc and some of them had worked at Pemberton Collieries (Blundells) and that closed in 1946 and 'No' they didn't sound like young Pembertoner's, but that was because older folk don't sound like younger folk, but when the younger folk become older folk, they sound like the older folk, from when they were younger folk, if you know what I mean ?

One owd fella in Tunstall Lane who had worked at Pemberton Collieries refered to Lamberhead Green as Lombergreen, he put a 'B' in it instead of an 'R' and for many years that is how I thought that Lamberhead Green was prounonced by the older Pemberton folk, and I have only changed my mind, because I have seen 'Lomragreen' mentioned in many places, and seen the word used on old photographs, so now I accept that it was pronounced 'Lom'R'agreen'

If you take me for an example, when I was younger in me late teens and early 20s and I had been having a dalliance with studying at college, I spoke with a typical student accent, I lost the Wigan accent, and folk could not tell where I came from, I would not say that I was 'well spoken' but I did not sound as rough as bears arse, but now I do sound as rough as a bears bottom, even folk who talk broad, say that I talk broad, and if I am in the company of say a southerner, communication becomes difficult, because they cannot understand what I am saying

My mother was from Haydock which had its own accent .My father was from Gosport ,His family was from London. I speak mainly with a broad Wigan accent.So how did I end up with this accent

Most of the Wigan accent could work as a code, but I find the young kids don't use fthe wigan speak and I the it is due to all the scousers we have aquirered and even the scouseres have different accents,,

Ne pu thans tigethu fo tha favrit frumpt Latin quaer o Wiggin: 'Whom, Whom n Deranged"!

WW1
Officer inspecting Wigan soldiers.
Asked one what company are you with
Wigan coal and iron company sir. replied the soldier Many more in Fred holcrofts books about officers who could not under stand Wigan dialect.

What about this," yon mons as fey as a clog back."

Or, as fey as a gasmon's mac, meaning ugly.

I have a typical Wigan accent,so why did a man once ask me if I was from Germany.????

The last large General Hospital I worked: our department was across a corridor from Speech Therapy Department.

Underneath the official sign identifying their department, they had hung another small sign of their own creation. It read, "WE HAVE WAYS OF MAKING YOU TALK"